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dr-dillamond:

vintageofthelast:

dr-dillamond:

adventuresinextremity:

dr-dillamond:

i can’t view these posts, i’m assuming its because the original posters deleted them because they realised how retarded they were being.

‘communism has never caused a single death’. lol. lollllllllllllll.

My apologies. I reblogged to the wrong blog, tried to fix it, and both got deleted. Thanks for letting me know!

Here is the post:

Excuse me. Communism has never caused a single death. Not one.

It has never been employed in the world, and the attempts of thereof have never reached the political ideology that is truly what Marx advocated. Totalitarianism, arrogance, and ignorance. Please extinguish your apparent inability to actually read what communism actually is, prior to replying.

The thing is, is that it’s true. Sorry. I wasn’t having a massive realization that what you’re saying is true, because it isn’t.

Nice anon comment by the way. Lolol to you too.

I am familiar with Marx, thankyou. I’ve read both Manifesto and Kapital.

In actuality communism has been employed in the world. Historically, voluntary communism was very much how tribal folk lived. And this was okay for them because they were small communities and didn’t have a complex economy. On this level, between no more than 100 - 300 individuals, I wholeheartedly agree that communism would work voluntarily. However, throughout history we consistently see that national communism fails, not because its not being ‘implemented correctly’ but because on such a high-scale level it can’t be implemented correctly. It also can’t be forced onto people without causing a great deal of oppression.

That’s basically my views on communism. So yes, the ideology has caused death. I don’t think there’s any questioning that Mao, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-Il and their ilk identify(ied) as Marxist, have read his works, and consider(ed) themselves working towards the creation of a communist paradise. But the fact is that they killed people (or at least that people died under their control), because on such a large scale no form of collectivism can be applied, either forcefully or voluntarily.

Of course it can’t. I’ve posted on that fact correct.

I am simply advocating for people to recognize that Marx, and the idea of communism itself, are not to blame for the wrongs that people have committed under the ruse of a communist aim. Just because I say that I am doing the best, that I am trying to fulfill a certain standard, does not mean that I am actually doing that. There was no large-scale rebellion that happened in these countries. The dictators came into power, and then committed aforementioned atrocities. They said they were communists, yes.

But does Marx not say that it must be the lower class, the oppressed proletarians who need to come up against the rulers? There was no huge amount of impoverished and oppressed who went up against the rulers. The actual actions taken were not communist actions.

I agree with you on that communism is never going to happen in the world as it is today, on any large scale, unless it is universalized, which is severely unlikely to be done, without someone trying to keep control.

But the moral is, is that communism was not to blame. People being unrealistic, and not actually following what Marx wanted, and not realizing the problems in the way they went about achieving the paradise, are instead those who wronged. As I said, communism has never caused a death.

But these people had communist goals, and I don’t think that there was any doubt (particularly in the Russian revolution) that it was largely an uprising of the working-class. Though I suppose that point is debatable when one considers the leaders in question.

But again the fact is they tried to institute communism and it failed on an involuntary national level (which is the only way it can work on a national level).

Communism as an ideal is all well and good so long as its kept voluntary and within small communities. But even Marx’s ideas (particularly regarding the path to communsim and the associated socialism) weren’t exactly pro-freedom. They were often also not entirely economically viable (central-planning for a nation and all that being entirely impossible by any entity much less a government).

The key would here would be “goals.” We still considered Hitler to be wrong, even though his ultimate goal was purification. Yet, we credit him with decimation and genocide. Meaning, just because someone wants to do something, and is trying to do that, does not condone the acts they take for that goal. Conversely, trying to improve a country is not wrong either, just because Hitler did it arbitrarily. You can extend this to communism: a thought is not wrong because an act taken because of it is.

Of course Marx was not going to be entirely pro-freedom. The path to a revolution never could be, because you have to revolt against someone. Egyptians fought against Mubarak to secure their freedom, so someone has to get hurt if communism is ever going to happen in the real world. But the point is, is that it hasn’t. Attempts have been made at it, sure, but they were not worthwhile, or legitimate. Thus, communism in and of itself, has not caused a death.

Posted 5 months ago — 16 notes

dr-dillamond:

adventuresinextremity:

dr-dillamond:

i can’t view these posts, i’m assuming its because the original posters deleted them because they realised how retarded they were being.

‘communism has never caused a single death’. lol. lollllllllllllll.

My apologies. I reblogged to the wrong blog, tried to fix it, and both got deleted. Thanks for letting me know!

Here is the post:

Excuse me. Communism has never caused a single death. Not one.

It has never been employed in the world, and the attempts of thereof have never reached the political ideology that is truly what Marx advocated. Totalitarianism, arrogance, and ignorance. Please extinguish your apparent inability to actually read what communism actually is, prior to replying.

The thing is, is that it’s true. Sorry. I wasn’t having a massive realization that what you’re saying is true, because it isn’t.

Nice anon comment by the way. Lolol to you too.

I am familiar with Marx, thankyou. I’ve read both Manifesto and Kapital.

In actuality communism has been employed in the world. Historically, voluntary communism was very much how tribal folk lived. And this was okay for them because they were small communities and didn’t have a complex economy. On this level, between no more than 100 - 300 individuals, I wholeheartedly agree that communism would work voluntarily. However, throughout history we consistently see that national communism fails, not because its not being ‘implemented correctly’ but because on such a high-scale level it can’t be implemented correctly. It also can’t be forced onto people without causing a great deal of oppression.

That’s basically my views on communism. So yes, the ideology has caused death. I don’t think there’s any questioning that Mao, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-Il and their ilk identify(ied) as Marxist, have read his works, and consider(ed) themselves working towards the creation of a communist paradise. But the fact is that they killed people (or at least that people died under their control), because on such a large scale no form of collectivism can be applied, either forcefully or voluntarily.

Of course it can’t. I’ve posted on that fact correct.

I am simply advocating for people to recognize that Marx, and the idea of communism itself, are not to blame for the wrongs that people have committed under the ruse of a communist aim. Just because I say that I am doing the best, that I am trying to fulfill a certain standard, does not mean that I am actually doing that. There was no large-scale rebellion that happened in these countries. The dictators came into power, and then committed aforementioned atrocities. They said they were communists, yes.

But does Marx not say that it must be the lower class, the oppressed proletarians who need to come up against the rulers? There was no huge amount of impoverished and oppressed who went up against the rulers. The actual actions taken were not communist actions.

I agree with you on that communism is never going to happen in the world as it is today, on any large scale, unless it is universalized, which is severely unlikely to be done, without someone trying to keep control.

But the moral is, is that communism was not to blame. People being unrealistic, and not actually following what Marx wanted, and not realizing the problems in the way they went about achieving the paradise, are instead those who wronged. As I said, communism has never caused a death.

Posted 5 months ago — 16 notes